patty, of course, famous for taking on the president of the united states on this very issue. i always admire this lady's guts for doing that. here, and, patty, you had a chance, i don't know if you watch all of the democratic convention, but to the president's point that by dialing back on attacking business or trying to say nice things about entrepreneurs, people like yourself, your colleagues here today, that this is a different president with a different message. what do you think of that? >> yeah, i think there was a lot of rhetoric. i didn't hear the details. it was interesting to me that, you know, the message of hope and change has gone away, and now he says, you know, just hope, hope that i can get it right in this second term. so, yeah, i don't -- i think they just told us what we wanted to hear and wavedded the flag and nothing's going to change. neil: you are shaking your head, butch. >> it's about hope. we hope we get it right. i heard four years ago, if it's not done in first three years, i will not run again. here we are again. neil: what did you want to hear? >